The never answer the door unless expecting a specific visitor policy is also really true of people with stalkers. My very best friends know I am a very messy person and in the past tried to convince me that they didnt care (but I care!). Ill be back . With friends along! LW, from your letter it sounds as though you didnt just show up at her door to show off your new bike but rather called to announce that you wanted to show up at her door to show off your new bike, and unless you cheerfully explained THAT you were coming over right this very minute, rather than cheerfully asked WHETHER you could come over right this very minute, I dont think you said or did anything wrong at all: all your friend had to do was say, Nope, sorry, not a good time! if she werent up for a visit from you (and your awesome bike). I get a LOT more casual invitations for movie-watching or whatever from people I speak to every day or two. I dont think I know anyone without a cell phone, so let me pick up the random stuff that wanders out into the family room and put it back where it climbed out of. I also have this insecurity that most people dont really like hanging out with me, so deep down, Im kind of concerned that they mightve changed the plans and forgotten about me when they let everyone know OR that they changed their mind about hanging out with me but havent come up with a graceful way of canceling. Why view it as a personal offence? Number 1: All of this. captain awkward i found these tips really helpful, thank you . Also I need to be able to say not now and they leave without getting upset or making me repeat myself. You could then and could now. If you are sure about him then just go ahead and ask him and the truth is he probably wont say no if he desires the same thing as you. The house was never in fact very dirty and usually was fairly presentable even without the deep-clean, but my mom was ashamed and embarrassed by any perceived imperfection that she thought others would notice. *Finally, weve talked about what to do if someone seems open to making plans initially, but you never actually seem to make plans, and this seems like a good time to review it. Remember, you're dealing with a girl and girls are very sensitive. Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. . and if someone who has acted like were the best of friends doesnt invite me to something i would have expected to be invited to, and then proceeds to talk about it non-stop in front of me and acts like were still super close? It is exactly what the Captain says about her not having the bandwidth to reach out to me so maybe I should just let it go but I miss her so much and I dont want to lose the connection. If put on the spot they may feel too uncomfortable saying no. The guy had the kind of job that involved getting up before dawn and he was already in bed he wasnt super impressed, and thats when I started really thinking about whether it was OK to just drop in on people not everyone has the same schedule as me. We dont have to call their entire history of the LWs actions being appropriate or not into question. Im from a small, rural town, and in my small-town culture, people would routinely drop by your house if they were passing by and saw your car in the driveway, especially if you were close to them. Get him involved in the plans, but don't put him to work. I dont have kids, and every once in a while I experience culture shock when other people talk about kid things. I dont like surprises so thats the bad part. If you have a chronic health condition (which might be physical, it might be mental illness, or a mixture of the two) and kids, sometimes youre doing well just to keep the dishes clean, the laundry done, kids clean, the floor uncrunchy and the table unsticky. She even brought a boyfriend that she knew I hated to my graduation dinner, uninvited, that my parents were paying for and was only for about six people, including my grandparents. The organizer may also be inconvenienced by someone who invites themselves. Just stop trying. I grew up thinking Im socially odd and terrible at body language, but it turns out Im just odd. Sorry! Now one is enforcing etiquette rules, and the other is wondering if theyre really rules so as to figure out if any were broken as though knowing that would make her right and her friend wrong. when I was in high school: I own a phone for my convenience, not yours. I apply this to the doorbell as well. Ideally you've got lots of other stuff going on in your social life, so you have this attitude naturally. Im fine. Maybe by unpacking this for you we can make a lot of people feel more comfortable and less anxious about this. Or, 2a. Obviously I am not the friend LW is referencing here, but having a friend of mine ask me if they could drop by for a hug while I was at work on a regular basis would be an issue. That was awesome fun then, but 10 years later if you show up at my house at random, especially after 10, I probably wont even open the door, or I might get mad. At the time we were both only working part time with some help from my student loans, and making an extra meal, possibly for all three of us, wasnt always a welcome expense. Though I am just now recalling that in the small town where my partner grew up, just dropping by unexpectedly and saying hi is weirdly totally normal. If we visited someone, it was meticulously prearranged and we would show up on the very dot of the agreed-upon time not a minute sooner, not a minute later. Can you go to the toilet without panicking? So, Id be interested to know how to handle someone once theyve already shown up, uninvited and not particularly wanted, to social events. Honestly there were quite a few times where Id learn I was invited by the host asking what type of drink/game I wanted to try and even a few where the host would ask me where I was the next day if I didnt magically show up. Does she ever reciprocate, either by visiting you or by explicitly inviting you? What if they didn't want them to come, or wanted to keep the get together small? Bye oops grab the dog please. *deep breaths* Movies are dark and great for making out, and you won't risk giving him the wrong impression. But when everyones pretty busy, its often easier to just be more fault-tolerant than to try in vain to be a flawless scheduling robot. If people are showing up uninvited at the door of someone who doesnt like it, that someone would have to have a conversation asking them not to do the thing they are doing, possibility coming across as unfriendly in the process and creating some awkward tension in the relationship. If anyone pulled up a trailer around back, they hid it well. And if Im definitely not in the mood to hang out, its painfully awkward for everyone involved if I have to ask you to go away. I definitely feel like there are certain things I shouldnt have to tell people no about, justified or not. I literally hid from them a few times, even though my mom told me I was being rude. Answer door, welcome cousin with open arms. It's my birthday and I hope you won't be left out. I hate it when someone else does. I dont think either method is wrong, but its hard to make them compatible. Person #4: Its Free Comic Book Day Saturday, so Im gonna go find a store and pick up some stuff to read. Going to a street fair devoted to tacos., Green light means go. Does anyone else feel really weird even discussing plans with someone if you arent inviting them to join you? Saying no can be hard for me, especially if youre at the front door. It was a slight point of contention, because she had to put in unavailability requests (and had her rosters) two months ahead, whereas Im lucky to have my roster a week in advance. I have a friend whose cousin will consistently show up to small gatherings dinner parties or tiny birthday parties, cocktail outings for girls nights out because they were mentioned to her and she decided that, having been mentioned to her, this was enough to consider herself invited. Just as with the break-up of a romantic/sexual relationship, theres something horrible about the person who doesnt come out and say its over Im breaking up with you but instead keeps leading the soon-to-be ex on with apologies, affection and promises interspersed with harshness, temper, and neglect in the hopes that the rejectee will get the hint. Theres a difference between mentioning and discussing, though, eh? I told her that she needs to call before visiting and she basically said if she did that either mom or myself would say no, so shes just going to continue showing up. I am saving the galaxy right now from assimilation because I will never solve it, and yet it keeps looping. ! and ive also been very upset when people just presume im available at any time, because sometimes it comes across as a lack of respect, like oh surely i have nothing going on and am just available whenever you happen to be around. and our Tbh from what I see on YouTube, it's kind of normal to ask if you can come over to hang out. Ragey is right! When I say Im going, Im not asking to be made to stay, I want to go freely (at this point Im thinking of my grandmother, wholl always start begging me to stay longer when Im just too tired already and having to negotiate my right to leave doesnt help). Yeah, Im going (super sad plus super confused = counselor) The whole thing left me wondering if my notions of politeness and normal were actually polite and normal. What are we? And no expectations of hospitality or cleaning, just hey, was passing and saw you were home! It was always tacitly acknowledged that it was literally a Hi/bye!. I had to train myself not to. There has never been a point in my life where it would make me angry if friends dropped by, but I, like you, only have Red and Green flags for MY visiting them. But I fight against that urge, because, if they are going to be my friend, they might as well see my clutter up front and be okay with it. Its often said that a way to a guys heart is through his stomach. When I was a wee child, my family was visiting with another family, and when my parents were ready to leave, they went around and asked each kid if we wanted to leave or stay and keep playing. In that case, politeness would dictate that the person picking up the other person would walk to the door and ring the bell. Back in my teens if I was too anxious/busy/unpresentable to talk to an unannounced house caller I would either not answer the door or ask my parents to say I was out. Good one AthenaC! I enjoy doing that the way some people enjoy playing softball. 4. In one case we could easily made plans anytime, so dropping in felt like too much. I discuss it more in this article, about when you're not sure if people are really interested in being friends with you or not. 2. Today, after school. Im in the neighborhood. One of the reasons it is permanently on vibrate-only. Your script(s) are: That sounds nice/Are you looking forward to it/Where is it/I hope there are no diaper cakes., Person#2: Ive got to clean the house, were having people over on Sunday., Red light means stop. I am definitely guilty of the are we still on thing. This situation really shook me. Another thing you can try is to organize a book night. Challenging him to a showdown at your place is an effective, low-stakes way to invite him over. Like alarmingly angry as if I have broken a major social rule or something. I wrote letters. I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends. I would chalk that one up to bad ex and forget about it. Again, thats just me, now, in a large American city where most people I know have cell phones. 21. And I put it on my calendar, right? Here are some additional thoughts: Dont worry why things seem different stopping by work and home. Intimacy and connection with other people means putting yourself out there, taking risks, and sometimes making mistakes. My mother has a key to my home on the express condition that she never use it unless I have explicitly asked her to or I am actually dead. I was actually discussing the music for the wedding with the person who would actually be playing said music, so not even just a casual conversation about it; it could hardly have been construed as a taunt given that she was the one who came over and inserted herself. Keep it minimal and casual. What are you doing at the weekend? Instead of stating their full request, e.g. You don't need a whole lot of luggage, and it might be a little scary if he sees you lugging in an entire makeup counter. Why? But then I worry she will think Im pre-emptively avoiding her. Mind if I come along? If someone asks what I am doing or was doing [at such and such a time] and the detailed answer is something fun without you. If I answer at all I say I had dinner plans with a friend how was your weekend? or I had a bunch of stuff going on- I am actually kind of glad to be back to work. But thats really about it. People actually try to invite themselves on your vacations? Kind of the Regency idea of a 15-minute social call. My home has to be my sanctuary, and nobody gets inside without my consent given well in advance (hint: 24 hours is short notice to me) On the topic of wanting to clean before people show up, I REALLY HATE when people respond to your desire to clean up with oh I dont mind the mess! Look, well intentioned person*, its not about you! Personally, Im totally fine with friends just showing up at my house. If I am not invited, I assume I am not invited. So it works better. Like if they would call/text and say Hey, were in your area today. A lot of people have an opinion on whether it's okay for someone to invite themselves to an event or not. By agreeing on brutal honesty we can both have a good time while were having it, and end it when were not. It may very well be that this particular incident wasnt a huge issue in itself, but your friend doesnt want to let a pattern develop that will be painful to break out of. Them:I want to see What We Do In The Shadows., You:Me too. So, if you like a guy and want to invite yourself over to his place, then there are many tips you can try. Or very close family. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I have a friend that makes me crazy, because we have interactions like this: Friend: Hey, are you busy next Saturday? Guess divide, and all of the yes! Im not trying to maintain some front, Im not trying to look more together than I am. My friends and I are roleplayers though, and typically a tabletop game will only be able to have 4-5 players in it, so its pretty obvious not everybody could do it, and most people really like hearing about others games (to an extent, nobody wants a 4 hour rundown of mass combat) so its sort of accepted that people will mention games they are in that others arent and people are usually fine with it. This sort of thing reminds me that the only era for which I know there were clear and universally followed rules about this sort of thing, it was Regency era England, when people* would drop by during a clearly defined period of the day for a morning call, for about 20 minutes, and your butler could declare that you were not at home if you didnt want to see them. And very rarely is the answer reschedule. Answer: Fundamental Rule of Life: "Ask and ye [she]shall receive." But be careful what you ask for. And by you I mean me. Yep. he had a lot of realities to manage. It tells me that she *knows* the world isnt an open invitation for her to insert herself into other peoples social events. *I am the still, deep, blue water* Go to a place with someone, or 2. have someone to MY place/where I am going. Recently Ive taken to IMing my friends if Im in their area and have a little time. Not only do people knock on the door randomly to see how the house is coming along, but many of them just WALK RIGHT IN! (Also with some of my college friends 98% of the time if they were talking about an event in front of me I was invited, but they didnt realize that invitations were things that happened? Either the object of your attention will track you down when their schedule clears, or theyll drift back into your orbit in some serendipitous way a few months down the road and youll have the opportunity to try again, or they wont. If Son and T are friends, cant Son invite T over himself? Imagine the following conversation happening when two Brazilian friends who havent seen each other in a while run into each other in public. Also see Im planning to be in your neighbourhood geocaching, are you home for us to stop and say hello / join us for one of the caches nearby?. But so many people want to hang out all day. If Im not specifically invited I assume Im not invited. Im in the area. Is asking. They get so angry. Or Im burnt out and demand me time just because. Usually I like things planned out in advance and double or triple checked. Uurghhrggghh you bet that any child of mine will be raised with a HUGE feelings-related vocabulary (I pretty much only knew happy, angry, sad until my teens?) It makes foreigners crazy. HOWEVER. He won't necessarily have a good conversation starter at the top of his mind or really know what to say to you. i think it does reflect your relationship, and that is not a bad thing! Werewolves not Swearwolves. But Im always thanked for double and triple checking with him because I understand that his particular brand of anxiety can say yes lets definitely plan to do this and then the day of be I really want to do this but I cant do it today. But talking to someone- or more likely in front of someone- about the fun game night six of your ten closest friends were at but one of the conversants wasnt? The easiest way to get a guy to invite you over is to suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it nearly impossible for him to say no. I have ADHD and this is a thing I feel a lot. If someone in your social circle is throwing a. I have not seen most of those people since many of them failed out after a semester, and I have not seen the remainder since I changed majors and no longer had to see Britney and her friends all the time, and I am so happy about it. Ive had friends who I would never drop in on uninvited, through to friends who have an open invitation and have given me a key and have told me to turn up whenever even if theyre at work because they like to come home to a house full of random friends. 2023 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media, All Rights Reserved. Instead they will be evasive. If someone is going to visit my home, I need enough notice to get myself and the main areas of the house decent before they turn up. I would have just asked him to entertain himself while I was finishing up whatever or getting ready for whatever. Something that we have found interesting in many of these cases is that women generally tend to play dumber for guys. We slept at one anothers houses. Day. THE LAUGHING GIRL MYSTERY. I try to host people in my home every so often just so that I have the excuse/motivation to do this kind of cleaning which I then enjoy all by myself for several days after. So I guess the implications will just have to come along too. The world has changed to respect those peoples boundaries, rather than requiring those people to (JUST) lower their boundaries to match yours. Ha, intercultural differences around this kind of thing are a trip. Well, then, I accept! Maybe its kind of odd that I still havent been able to give them their Christmas present by March!), knowing that I was That Person please-will-she-ever-go-away. Friend: Is that poop in your sink and on the wall? (As long as no one decides they get to see the inside of my condo, were cool. I've been writing about social skills for fifteen years. My French teacher taught me a great saying (in English, no less!) But having grown up in the country, where you werent likely to be going past Auntie Janes house that frequently so why not stop and say hello while youre going past, I have felt mildly hurt when this doesnt happen. 1.4. I am a messy person, who not only doesnt wear a bra in the house but who habitually spends the entire day in filthy pyjamas with un-brushed hair if not planning to go out. I like your suggestions about neutral spaces too, will definitely use that in future. Ive struggled with that, too. He worked from home-so he thought it disrespectful to not treat his home like any other office. *deep breaths* Even if I cant have that, I do like the occasional text of Im at the grocery store near you; how about I stash my stuff in your fridge and we hang out for a bit? on random evenings. They allowed me to make soft nos and those soft nos were more often accepted, because hey, were asking if youre free right now so if you say no well go do our thing and move on with our lives instead of sending a bunch of follow up texts trying to lock you in to a date. Itsnot good, despite his many other qualities, and so far the rest of us in this particular social circle have mainly tried to just preemptively account for it in our planning and roll our eyes at each other behind his back. Becoming more adept at these important social skills is not impossible, but it takes motivation and hard work. [6] 3 Make a list of everything you want to pack. It drives me up the wall too! Let your life and worth ethic speak for itself. If you read, for instance, advice columns or domestic humor from eras and neighborhoods that did casual visits, youll find lots of stories of people turning the lights off and laying down on the floor to avoid visitors. Let's say a friend mentions that they are going hiking over the weekend with their roommate. Usually the host says yes and then everyone else gets texted and comes early, and then were hanging out for 9 hours instead of 6 and its kind of awful. My friend was not receptive to this type of hang-out (she is the kind who shame-cleans SO HARD, so I think an unannounced visit is a tiny version of Hell for her). Youre not even someone my other half considers a friend, just someone who knows him. For you, that sort of cleaning might not be based in shame, but it is for others. But I guess this goes hand in hand with another (also common in my social circles) practice, that of regularly making tentative plans that are never executed. That was the only time they did a drop-in. With only girls? So yes, for a lot of people it IS shame-cleaning. In the other case making plans was nearly impossible and incredibly inconvenient, so dropping by felt like a nice surprise. Dear LW Even if Im entirely comfortable not being included in a particular plan, Ill feel uncomfortable saying things like that sounds fun/Is it for a special occasion or just hanging out because Ill worry that the other person might think Im fishing for an invitation. And at that point, you get to craft your own slow fade, being really really busy when their requests are made. I care a *lot*, because having my mother constantly belittle me, my housekeeping skills and my space whenever she visits makes my home feel not like a safe space. Whenever I want to hang out with ANYONE I know I always drop a text beforehand and make sure my wording sends the message that its totally optional on their part to agree to hang or not. I dont understand it. You could for instance say, I would like to invite you over to my place but my roommate is not so cool with that . If you call him up a few hours before you want to hang out, he may say no due to prior plans or because his apartment is messy. But generally? Housework is one of the first things to fall by the wayside both for my anxiety and my partners depression. I grew up in the country where this was just A Thing That Happened. Pare it down to the necessities. +1 to this. Christine Jones is an editor who likes to write about modern dating trends and dating tips. Asking people not to do something theyre already doing is much more fraught territory than letting someone know its okay to do something theyre not doing. This is what you call a booty call. 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